the most important issues are jobs, economy, how you're going to get this economy moving again. so i think on both sides, this has become a false debate over should we tax or should we not tax the wealthy. i think it really takes the focus off the bigger issue, which wealthy voters are really looking at. maybe raise their taxes, maybe not. that's not even what's important for the wealthy themselves. what's important is how to grow again. >> and how do you grow when you're facing $16 trillion in debt? you have to make tough decisions like the entitlements. >> free cell phones. >> give them free cell phones. >> back to the tax question. i think it is key to solving the deficit problem. the tax plan that i would love someone to put forward, and i'm not sure anyone has, is lower every rate and close every loophole. lower every rate on businesses. yes, on millionaires and billionaires. close all the loopholes, which generally favor the wealthy. they favor the large corporations. what that would do, obviously, is broaden the base. but it would help small businesses. >> absolutely. who